Disturbing Annie Farmer Transcript, Locked Herself in Bathroom to Escape Epstein

*Annie Farmer Locked Herself in the Bathroom to Escape Epstein Advancements

*Groomed at the Young Age of 16

*Her Sister Maria Worked for Jeffrey Epstein

*Epstein Took Her on Vacation Multiple Times

*Epstein Hoaxed an Event for Promising Youth at His New Mexico Home to Lure Annie

Krisan T. Harris | The Rundown Live

New York, New York (TRL) – Week two of the Ghislaine Maxwell child sex-trafficking trial is in full swing as the prosecution has finished their case making way for the defense to bring their witnesses to the stand. The final witness of the prosecution was professional psychologist Annie Farmer, the only victim to use her real name in the trial and what many onlookers in the courtroom have said to be the most credible witness to take the stand.

Annie at one point details in the transcript of her testimony how Jeffrey Epstein crawled in bed with her and she escaped:

“Yeah. He just — you know, as I said, he kind of had his arms around me and I felt, again, kind of frozen. And then I thought I have to have an excuse to get out of this. And so I just said I needed to go to the bathroom. And it was in my bedroom area and there was a bathroom near. And so I just made the excuse and got out of bed and went into the bathroom and shut the door.”

Maria Farmer, her sister, worked Jeffrey Epstein and she felt coming out would of jeopardized her sisters job and college tuition in which Epstein supplied for all his employees.

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Annie Farmer Witness Testimony in the Ghislaine Maxwell Trial provided by the courthouse records department.

Q. In what state were you born?

A. Missouri.

Q. Where did you grow up?

A. I moved around a bit when I was young, but when I was 8 years old, I moved to Arizona and lived there until I graduated from high school.

Q. How far did you go in school?

A. I completed my Ph.D.

Q. Where did you go to college?

A. I went to the University of Pennsylvania for my undergraduate.

Q. Where did you get your Ph.D.?

A. University of Texas at Austin.

Q. What is your Ph.D. in?

A. Educational psychology.

Q. What kind of work do you do now?

A. I’m a psychologist and I work primarily as a therapist.

Q. Now, Annie, could you please look around the courtroom and let us know, you do you see anyone in this courtroom who has ever given you a massage?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. Could you please describe where the person you recognize is sitting and describe an item of clothing the person is wearing.

A. She’s wearing a brown sweater. She’s seated to my right at the end of the table next to you.

MS. POMERANTZ: Let the record reflect that the witness has identified the defendant.

THE COURT: Record may so reflect.

Q. How old were you when Maxwell gave you a massage?

A. I was 16 years old.

Q. We’ll talk about that more later, but I want to s witch gears and take a step back.

A. Okay.

Q. Where did you go to high school?

A. I went to high school in Phoenix, Arizona.

Q. And when you were about 16 years old, in what state were you living?

A. In Arizona

Q. When you were 16 years old, who did you live with at home?

A. I lived with my mom and my little sister, Ashley, and our dog.

Q. Did your dad live with you?

A. No. My parents are divorced.

Q. Was your mother employed?

A. She was.

Q. What kind of work did she do?

A. She was a sales rep for Owen Company, and she worked for herself — worked with a couple of different companies.

Q. What was your understanding of your family’s financial circumstances when you were 16 years old?

A. Money was tight. It had often been a stressor since my parents were divorced and my mom was supporting my sisters and I pretty much on her own without much help at all from my father. So I was in high school and looking forward to college and worried about money and how that would work out .

Q. You mentioned that you lived with your mom and your younger sister. Do you have any other siblings?

A. Yes, I have an older sister.

Q. What is your older sister’s name?

A. Maria Farmer.

Q. About how much older than you is your sister?

A. She is a little more than nine years older than me.

Q. When you were 16 years old, where did Maria live?

A. She lived in Manhattan.

Q. What did Maria do for a living?

A. She had just completed her graduate school in painting and she was working as a painter, but her employment was with Jeffrey Epstein.

Q. Did you talk to Maria while she was working for Jeffrey Epstein?

A. I did.

Q. How did you speak with Maria?

A. We would talk on the phone.

Q. Did there come a time when you visited Maria in New York?

A. Yes.

Q. Approximately when did you visit Maria in New York?

A. It was December 1995.

Q. Had you visited Maria in New York before December 1995?

A. I had not.

Q. Why not?

A. Money was, as I said, tight for us. So she had graduated, but we had not been able to attend that. And just affording a plane ticket was a big deal. So I had not gone to visit her.

Q. How was it that you were able to afford this trip in December 1995 to New York?

A. Jeffrey Epstein purchased a ticket for me.

Q. What were you hoping to do on this trip to New York?

A. I was hoping, one, to see my sister. I was very excited to see her. It had been some time. I was also hoping to be acquainted with Jeffrey Epstein. He had said that he was interested in helping –

MS. MENNINGER: Objection. Hearsay, your Honor. It wasn’t directly to her.

THE COURT: Just a moment. Sustained.Q. Annie, did there come a time when your sister spoke to you about a trip to New York?

A. Yes.

Q. And what did she tell you about this trip to New York?

MS. MENNINGER: Objection. Hearsay, your Honor.

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, effect on the listener.

THE COURT: Just a moment. Is this the issue we’ve discussed?

MS. POMERANTZ: I believe so, yes.

THE COURT: Okay. Overruled.

MS. MENNINGER: If that’s the question —

THE COURT: I’ll listen to the testimony and if it’s beyond that, I’ll hear the objection.

MS. MENNINGER: Thank you, your Honor.

THE COURT: Go ahead. Do you need the question repeated?

THE WITNESS: Yes. Could you repeat that.

BY MS. POMERANTZ:

Q. What had your sister, Maria, told you about the trip to New York?

A. She had said that Epstein was interested in possibly helping me with my education, and this was one of the reasons that he was purchasing my ticket.

MS. MENNINGER: I renew my objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: So I’ll overrule the objection, but I w ill tell the jury that the testimony that Ms. Farmer just provided about what was told to her is not being offered for the truth, but for the limited purpose of the effect on the listener,
Ms. Farmer.Go ahead.

BY MS. POMERANTZ:

Q. How did you travel to New York?

A. I flew, commercially.

Q. Who, if anyone, did you travel with to New York?

A. No one. I flew by myself.

Q. Who paid for your flight to New York?

MS. MENNINGER: Objection. Foundation, your Honor.

THE COURT: All right. Sustained.

Q. Did you pay for your flight to New York?

A. I did not.

Q. When you were in New York, who, if anyone, did you think bought you the tickt?

A. When I met Epstein —

MS. MENNINGER: Objection, your Honor. Hearsay. It’s being offered for that purpose.

THE COURT: Additional foundation questions are required.

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, I’ll move on for now. Thank you.

BY MS. POMERANTZ:

Q. Where did you stay in New York?

A. I stayed with my sister in her apartment.

Q. Approximately how long were you in New York?

A. I believe it was about a week.

Q. When did you go to New York?

A. After Christmas in 1995.

Q. Did there come a time when you met Jeffrey Epstein during that trip?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you meet Maxwell during this trip to New York?

A. I did not.

Q. How many times did you see Jeffrey Epstein during this trip in New York?

A. There were two different occasions that I recall.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up for just the witness, the parties, and the Court, w hat has been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 101.

Q. Annie, do you recognize this?

A. Yes.

Q. What is it?

A. It’s my high school photo from my junior year in high school.

Q. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of your phy sical appearance around the time you met Jeffrey Epstein?
A. It is.

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, the government offers Government Exhibit 101 in evidence.

MS. MENNINGER: No objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: Thank you. GX101 is admitted. You may publish.

MS. POMERANTZ: Thank you, your Honor.

BY MS. POMERANTZ:

Q. How old were you at the time this photograph was taken?

A. I was 16 years old.

Q. How old were you on the trip to New York?

A. I was 16 years old.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, can you please pull up what’s already in evidence as Government Exhibit 112.

Q. Annie, do you recognize the person in this photograph?

A. Yes.

Q. Who is it?

A. It’s Jeffrey Epstein.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, we can take that down. Thanks very much.

Q. Can you please describe for the jury what happened the first time you met Jeffrey Epstein.

A. Yes. My sister and I went to his home. He had purchased tickets for us to attend the Phantom of the Opera. So we met with him at his home. He was very — he seemed very friendly and kind of down to earth, he was dressed casually. We were dressed up because we were going to the theater and this was a big deal because I had been very excited about seeing this production, and he invited us into his home and we talked and served us champaign. And then, later on, his driver took us to the play.

Q. Just to unpack that a little bit. Where did you meet Epstein?

A. At his home.

Q. Can you describe for the jury what the home looked like.

A. Yeah, it was a very grand home. I was staying with my sister in her apartment, which is about, I think, 500 square feet. So I had never been in a private residence that was so large in the city before. It was full of very nice things. I remember sitting across a desk from him, like, you know, a beautiful large wooden desk in this kind of library room. And, yeah, it was just a very, you know, a very fancy home.

THE COURT: Ms. Farmer, could I ask you to move the microphone a little bit closer to you if you speak directly into it.

THE WITNESS: Yes. Sorry.

THE COURT: Thank you.

Q. What, if anything, did Epstein ask you about?

A. Well, one thing he asked me about was my plans for after high school, and we talked a bit about colleges and he asked me where I was considering. I remember he suggested that I should look at UCLA, that that was a place that he liked or had some connection. And then, yeah, just made, you know, made small talk.

Q. What, if anything, did Epstein talk to you about in terms of your summer?

A. We’d talked about the idea of me going on a trip that summer, something that would help sort of boost my application for college, that would look good. So a lot of people at that time were doing international trips and he said that was something he thought would be a good idea for me to do and he would be willing to help me with that.

Q. How did you feel when you first met Epstein?

A. I was excited. He was, again, very friendly with me, he seemed down to earth. I had been sort of intimidated by what I heard of him, but he seemed, you know, very nice wh en I met him. What he said about wanting to help me was, of course exciting, reassuring.

Y MS. POMERANTZ:

Q. After you met Epstein in his home, where did you go?

A. His driver took my sister and I to see The Phantom of the Opera.

Q. And who — just to be clear, who went to the thea ter?

A. My sister Maria and I.

Q. Did you see Jeffrey Epstein again during this trip to New York?

A. Yes.

Q. Where did you see him again?

A. We met him one evening to go see a movie.

Q. Who went to the movies?

A. My sister, myself, and Jeffrey Epstein.

Q. What movie did you see?

A. The movie Five Monkeys .

Q. Who did you sit next to at the movie theater?

A. I sat next to Epstein.

Q. And where was Maria seated?

A. She was seated on his other side.

Q. What happened during the movie?

A. Initially, when the lights went down, watching the movie. And then at some point he reaches over and puts his hand on the armrest in between our seats and starts to reach for my hand. And then, you know, caressed my hand; and then, you know, interlocked his hand with mine, holding my hand. And then also was rubbing my — I think I had my, you know, legs crossed, so he was rubbing the bottom of my shoe and then rubbing my foot and my leg.

Q. When he was doing that, what was your reaction?

A. I was very surprised. I was very nervous and anxious. Ifelt sick to my stomach. It was not something that I was at all expecting. And I noticed that when he would in teract in some way with my sister, that he would stop doing that. And then when he — when the interaction was over, weere watching — he was looking forward again, he would return to touching me.

Q. What happened after the movie ended?

A. When the movie ended, we got up, left the theater. And he said good-bye and walked — my sister and I walked back.

Q. Did you tell your sister about what had happened in the movie theater?

A. I did not.

Q. Why not?

A. I was, number one, very confused about what had happened. And I knew that she was very protective. And if I told her that he had done something that aimed to touch me and make me so uncomfortable, that she would be upset. And tha t was her employer. And I thought that would — you know, she could possibly lose her job. It would be bad for her. And so I just — I decided not to say anything.

Q. When you left the movie theater, did you see Epstein again while you were in New York?

A. No, I did not.

Q. At the time you were visiting Epstein when you were 16 years old, what were you hoping to do the following summer?

A. I was hoping to go on a trip, to go on an international trip to help me with maybe getting into a good school.

Q. During this time period, did you write in a journal?

A. I did.

Q. Can you describe your journaling practice at this time.

A. I was — I was not a consistent journaler, but I would just from time to time write about things happening in my life, write about my thoughts and feelings about different things yeah.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up for just the witness, the parties, and the Court wh at’s been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 601 .

Q. Annie, do you recognize this?

A. Yes, this is a notebook I used as a journal at th at time in my life.

Q. Is that the cover of the journal?

A. That’s the cover, yes.

Q. Is that a fair and accurate depiction of the cove r of your journal?

A. It is.

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, the government offers Government Exhibit 601 in evidence.

MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, subject to our request under Rule 106, we have no objection.

THE COURT: Okay. 601 is admitted.

(Government’s Exhibit 601 received in evidence)

MS. POMERANTZ: Thank you, your Honor. I would ask if that could be published, please.

THE COURT: You may.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up for just the witness, the parties, and the Court wh at has been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 603 .

Q. Annie, do you recognize this?

A. Yes.

MS. POMERANTZ: We could scroll to — I believe there are two pages. If we could just scroll to the seco nd page. Thank you.

Q. What is this?

A. It is an entry from that journal.

Q. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of an entry from your journal?

A. It is.

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, the government offers Government Exhibit 603.

MS. MENNINGER: Same objection under Rule 106.

THE COURT: GX-603 is admitted.

(Government’s Exhibit 603 received in evidence)

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, I would ask that we publish it at this time.

THE COURT: You may.

BY MS. POMERANTZ:

Q. Annie, what is the date of this entry?

A. January 7th, 1996.

Q. Can you please read the entry for the jury.

A. Yes. I got back from my trip to New York today. I had s uch a great time. It is really depressing to be back h ome. I feel like it was a trip that changed my whole outlook on life. I guess I always feel that way a little bit when I get back home — when I get back from trips. But it is over whelming this time. Continue reading? I am so ready to be out of high school and in college. Everything seems so silly, going out, etc. It did a little before anyway. I even feel a little isolated from my friends. Before I left, I was on a high of how great my friends were. I still realize how wonderful they are, but I feel more independent, like they aren’t necessary.

Q. You can keep reading.

A. Okay. I felt like this when I got back from Mexi co, and it faded quickly, but I have a feeling it is different this time. New York is such an amazing city. I felt really co mfortable there, like I know that I belong there and would live there at some point, hopefully soon. I miss Maria so much a lready. It seems unfair that I can’t see her more often. I feel like I’m missing so much. There is so much to tell about the trip, but I don’t know where to begin. The best night was when Maria and I saw Phantom of the Opera. We went to Jeff Epstein’s house and had champagne with him. I found him down-to-earth and easy to talk to. I thanked him so much for the trip, etc. We then took his car. His driver actually took us to Phantom. I didn’t know any play could be so moving. I had seen it before, but still couldn’t believe it. I bawled. It was fantastic. After the play, we walked around the plaza and went home. It was so much fun.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up for just the witness, the parties, and the Court wh at has been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 604. You can scroll to the second page. Thank you. And we can go back up to the top. Thank you, Ms. Drescher.

Q. Annie, do you recognize this?

A. Yes. It’s another entry from the same journal.

Q. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of an entry from your journal?

A. It is.

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, the government offers Government Exhibit 604.

MS. MENNINGER: Same 106 objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: Okay. Overruled. GX-604 is admitted.

(Government’s Exhibit 604 received in evidence)

Q. What is the date of this entry?

MS. POMERANTZ: Oh, your Honor, I’m sorry. Can we please publish it?

THE COURT: You may.

MS. POMERANTZ: Thank you.

Q. Annie, what is the date of this entry?

A. January 25th, 1996.

Q. Can you please read the entry for the jury.

A. It has been a couple of weeks since I got back, and I have gotten back into the swing of things. A couple of quick details about New York I didn’t mention earlier. W ent to see The Dutchess, a decent play, and Blue Man Group tubes Off Broadway. A really cool production. Went to the flea market, where I got some cool stuf f. Went to Jeffrey Epstein’s mansion. Went to The Met, a pretty fun New Year’s Eve party. Went to thrift stores wh ere I got an amazing dress for prom. It’s from the ’50s, laced with pink flowers with rhinestones in the middle all over it. It is my dream dress. One night we went to the movies with Jeffrey Epstein. It was — it was a little weird; one of those things that is hard to explain. We were sitting next to each other, and he put out his hand for me to hold, and we were holding hands. Not weird. Normal. Fine. Then he kind of caresse d, rubbed my arm and shoe, foot. It was one of those things that just gave me a weird feeling, but wasn’t that weird and probably normal. The one thing that kind of weirded me out about it was he let go of my hand when he was talking to Maria. Oh, well, I decided it was no big deal. It just made me mad because he’s being so amazing, paying for a summer program for me and helping me with college. He’s so nice and so generous with everyone. I just didn’t want to have any weird feelings about it. I didn’t/couldn’t say anything to Maria about it because she worships him and it would just create problems. I couldn’t tell anyone else because it is not a big deal and I didn’t want to portray him in a bad light. I really don’t think it is a big deal. I think he is just a relaxed guy and likes to flirt or was being fatherly or something. I know this sounds like me trying to justify him doing something weird, but it isn’t. Continue reading?

Q. Let me just pause you right there. Can you explain how you were feeling about Epstein at the time you were writing about him in your journal.

A. Yeah. I think that I was obviously very conflict ed because I knew what had happened in the movie theater was not normal or right. And but it had made me feel very uncomfortable. But I was trying to come up with excuses or justifications in my mind to make it seem okay, because of what I saw as, you know, him being such a generous, nice person. And so, you know, I’m trying to — I’m trying to make sense of it and I’m having a hard time.

Q. I’ll ask you to continue reading from where it says “Right now.”

A. Right now my big concern is what I am going to do this summer. There are so many cools things to do and amazing places to go. Right now I’m really thinking about doing something in Africa. It would be incredible. So different, so beautiful, all the different people. I would love it. I think I will really be happy doing almost anything.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, we can take that down . Your Honor, may I have just one moment please?

THE COURT: You may.

(Counsel conferred)

BY MS. POMERANTZ:

Q. Annie, after meeting Epstein in New York, did you and Epstein stay in touch?

A. Yes.

Q. How did you and Epstein communicate?

A. We spoke on the phone.

Q. Approximately how many times did you speak with Epstein by phone after your trip to New York?

A. Approximately two or three times.

Q. Did there come a time when you saw Jeffrey Epstein in person again?

A. Yes.

Q. Approximately when did you see him?

A. In April of 1996, the spring of 1996, I think it was April.

Q. Where did you see Epstein?

A. In New Mexico.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up for just the parties, the witness, and the Court wh at has been marked for identification as Government Exhibit 102 .

Q. Annie, do you recognize this?

A. Yes.

Q. What is this?

A. It’s a photo of me getting ready for prom.

Q. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of your phy sical appearance during the spring of 1996?

A. Yes.

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, the government offers Government Exhibit 102.

MS. MENNINGER: No objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: Thank you. GX-102 is admitted.

(Government’s Exhibit 102 received in evidence)

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, may we publish at this time?

THE COURT: You may.

Q. Annie, how old were you at the time this photograph was taken?

A. I was 16 years old.

Q. Where was the photograph taken?

A. In my apartment.

Q. Who invited you on this trip to New Mexico?

A. Epstein invited me.

Q. How did you learn you were going to be allowed to go on this trip to New Mexico?

A. My best recollection is from my mom, that we had talked about it.

Q. Who, if anyone, did you understand you would be seeing in New Mexico?

MS. MENNINGER: Objection. Foundation, your Honor, hearsay or not.

THE COURT: Sustained.

Q. In the spring of 1996, did there come a time when you learned that you would be going to New Mexico?

A. Yes.

Q. I think you mentioned you learned about that from your mother; is that right?

A. That’s correct.

Q. Based on your conversations with your mother, who did yo understand you would be seeing in New Mexico?

MS. MENNINGER: Objection. Hearsay, your Honor.

THE COURT: Sustained.

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, this is not being offered for the truth.

THE COURT: Sustained.

MS. POMERANTZ: May I have one moment?

THE COURT: You may.

(Counsel conferred)

MS. POMERANTZ: Your Honor, may we approach?

THE COURT: You may.

(Continued on next page)

(At sidebar)

MS. POMERANTZ: Thank you, your Honor.This information is being asked not for the truth o f the matter being asserted, but for her state of min d for what was in her mind at the time that she was going to New Mexico, why she felt comfortable, why she felt more comfortable going to this trip. It’s not being offered for the truth of the matter; it’s being offered for what her state of mind was when she was going on this trip to New Mexico.

MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, this is backdoor hearsay.

THE COURT: It is backdoor hearsay.You can ask her about going on the trip, why she went and why she was comfortable. But to the extent you’re eliciting — which you clearly are — hearsay as to what her mother told her about who would be there, objection sustained.

MS. POMERANTZ: Okay.

MS. MENNINGER: Her mother is testifying; so if there’s a conversation between Epstein and her mother, I understand that that would perhaps come in through the mother.

THE COURT: Right.

MS. POMERANTZ: Okay. Thank you, your Honor.

THE COURT: Counsel, the other thing you can say is after you had your conversation with your mother, did you then go to

New Mexico. And again, you can ask her about her own experience, but not elicit the hearsay of what her mother told. er.

MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, just to the extent it’s why she went, it’s, I understand after the conversation with the mother, I went to New Mexico. But if it’s the content from the mother to her, that’s where it gets into the hearsay piece.
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, just to clarify, the jury just heard this witness say she felt uncomfortable around Jeffrey Epstein; and that she knew something was wrong. The point of this is not to give the truth of what the mother said, but to explain why she was willing to go back to see Jeffrey Epstein again. That is all we’re trying to elicit.

THE COURT: You’re trying to elicit that her mother told her that Maxwell would be there, which is for the truth and hearsay. In any event, because it is central to the question coming in as hearsay, there’s a 403 issue. I think you can get this — you can get who was there, etc., but not what her mother told her for the truth, which is, I think, plainly what you’re trying to do.

MS. MOE: Your Honor, I can be more precise. I think the questions would be, Did you feel comfortable going to New Mexico? Why did you feel comfortable going to New Mexico? And then we wouldn’t object to a limiting instruction. It’s not offered for the truth, it’s to explain the progress of events and why she would feel comfortable doing something like that.

THE COURT: Counsel, there’s a limit, and hearsay i s the limit, and this is a central question. You hav e the witness, you have Maria Farmer coming to testify. I presume, although I don’t know, that she can testify Ms. Farmer was there in New Mexico; correct?

MS. MOE: Yes, your Honor.

THE COURT: And then you can ask her how she felt about that. But you can’t do it through hearsay. Sustained.

Q. Annie, did you travel to New Mexico?

A. I did.

Q. How did you travel to New Mexico?

A. I flew commercially.

Q. Did you pay for your ticket to New Mexico?

A. I did not.

Q. Did you thank anyone for paying for your ticket to New Mexico?

MS. MENNINGER: Objection, your Honor.

Foundation. Hearsay.

THE COURT: Foundation, overruled. Overruled.

A. I thanked Epstein when I got to New Mexico.

Q. Who, if anyone, did you travel with to New Mexico?

A. I traveled alone.

Q. Approximately when did you go to New Mexico?

A. The spring of 1996; I believe it was April.

Q. And approximately how long were you in New Mexico?

A. It was a weekend trip.

Q. When you landed in New Mexico, what happened next?

A. There was a man at the airport that had a sign with my name on it, and so I went with him. He was a driver. And he drove me out to the ranch.

Q. You mentioned the ranch. Can you describe the ranch for the jury.

A. Yeah. It was a large — a large piece of propert y in New Mexico, so kind of a desert landscape. And there were different sections. And there was one that had like an old movie set, like a western movie set on it. And the n there was a portion where we were staying where there’s a small residence.

THE COURT: I’d ask you again, Ms. Farmer, if you can maybe shift it a little bit closer to you. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you.

Q. Who, if anyone, did you meet at the ranch?

A. When I arrived, I had met — I mean, I saw Epstein, and then I met Ghislaine Maxwell.

Q. What did Maxwell look like?

A. She was trim, attractive woman, well-dressed, dark hair.

Q. About how old did Maxwell seem?

A. I believe she was in her thirties, so at the time she was an adult.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, can we please pull up what’s in evidence as Government Exhibit 115.

Q. Annie, do you recognize the person in this photograph?

A. I do.

Q. Who is it?

A. Ghislaine Maxwell.

MS. POMERANTZ: Ms. Drescher, we can pull that down. Thank you.

Q. What did Maxwell sound like?

A. She had a British accent and she was well-spoken and articulate. And she was enthusiastic in greeting me and speaking with me.

Q. Annie, had you wanted to go to New Mexico at the time?

A. No, I was not eager to go to New Mexico.

Q. What, if anything, made you feel more comfortable about going to New Mexico?

MS. MENNINGER: Objection. Hearsay, your Honor.

THE COURT: I’m going to overrule here and I’ll adopt a limiting instruction.

MS. POMERANTZ: Thank you, your Honor.

A. I had been told that Maxwell would be in New Mexico with Epstein; and so that made me feel more comfortable.Basically, after what had happened in the movie theater in New York, I did not want to be alone with him. But I thought that Ghislaine was his romantic partner, and I didn’t think he wou ld do anything like that while they were together.

MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I think we need to say who told her that.

THE COURT: Okay. You may ask and then I’ll give the instruction.

Q. Who told you that?

A. I was told by my mother.

THE COURT: Members of the jury, the testimony the witness provided about what her mother told her is not being offered for the truth, but for the limited purposes of the effect on the listener. Go ahead.

MS. POMERANTZ: Thank you, your Honor.

BY MS. POMERANTZ:

Q. Based on your observations that weekend, what was your understanding at the time of the relationship between Epstein and Maxwell?

A. I believed that they were romantic partners. They were very intimate with each other in terms of touching each other and the way that they spoke with each other and interacted; it was what I had seen from couples.

Q. What happened after you got to the ranch?

A. When I first arrived, I remember we did a little bit of a tour, where I saw this portion I mentioned where there was this western movie set and, I believe, some horses. And , you know, I was, I guess, oriented a little bit to the proper ty.

Q. Where did you stay at the ranch?

A. In a small residence.

Q. Who else stayed in that residence?

A. Epstein and Maxwell.

Q. Was anyone else staying in that area of the ranch?

A. No.

Q. Did you see staff at the ranch that weekend?

A. Yes, I did see like a couple of men that I believe were ranch hands or caretakers for the property; and the driver, you know, I mentioned who took me to the airport.

Q. Apart from staff and Epstein and Maxwell, was anyone else staying at the residence?

A. No.

Q. What was your reaction at the time about being at the ranch with only Epstein and Maxwell?

A. I think it was — you know, it seemed unusual in a way, being that I was a teenager, to be spending this ti me with them. But I also — there is a way in which it sort of made me feel special that they would want to spend this time with me. So I think it was a mixed bag.

Q. Based on your initial conversations with Maxwell, did you have the impression that she was surprised to see you or did she seem to expect you?

A. She did not seem surprised to see me at all. She — yeah, she seemed to know who I was and be excited to be m eeting me.

Q. What was your impression of Maxwell?

A. She was very outgoing and talked a bit of engaging with me, so I enjoyed meeting with her and talking with her.

Q. What, if anything, did you and Maxwell talk about?

A. She was just, you know, making conversation with me about my life, asking me — I remember we talked a bit about my school, and I was writing a paper about some Britis h authors. And I remember bringing this up to her and talking to her about that. And I think just, you know, kind of general life things, what I was doing.

Q. You mentioned that Epstein and Maxwell gave you a tour of the ranch. Did you leave the ranch that weekend?

A. We did.

Q. Where did you go?

A. We went into town, and I remember we did a little bit of shopping. We went to a natural food store of some sort. And Ghislaine offered to buy me some product. I remember she bought me this henna hair lightening cream of some kind. And then on that same outing, we went to a western wear store where\ hey had me try on cowboy boots and purchased a pair of cowboy boots for me.

Q. When you said “we went shopping,” who went shopping?

A. Epstein, Maxwell, and myself.

Q. What did the cowboy boots look like?

A. They were black leather pointy standard cowboy boots.

Q. Who bought the boots for you?

A. Epstein.

Q. And who was present at the time of the boots being purchased?

A. Maxwell as well.

Q. Did you keep the cowboy boots?

A. I — yes, I did.

Q. What was your reaction at the time that the cowboy boots were purchased for you?

A. It was — I remember it seemed — because they cost over $100, it seemed they were very expensive to me. And so, you know, I was very grateful; although I didn’t really have any reason to be wearing cowboy boots, so it wasn’t something I had been seeking out or wanting. But the — you know, I was gracious about it.

Q. Did there come a time when you left the ranch aga in?

A. Yes.

Q. Where did you go?

A. We went to the movies.

Q. Who went to the movies?

A. Sorry. Maxwell, Epstein, and I.

Q. Did you want to go to the movies?

A. No. I think because of what had happened in the movie theater in New York, I was — that was not something I was eager to do. But I imagined it would be different this time because Maxwell was there.

Q. What, if anything, happened before you went in to watch the movie?

A. Oh, so the movie theater is in sort of a mall are a, and we — there was a ticket counter and they purchased tickets and we were waiting to go in. And Epstein and Maxwell were being very, like, playful with each other and kind of grabbing each other. And Maxwell went to, like, pull Epstein’s p ants down a little bit and, you know, sort of like depantsing someone, which seemed very odd to me at the time because they were adults and this is the kind of thing, you know, I would expect more from younger people. And so I was kind of, you know, just caught off guard by it and thought it seemed odd.

Q. What movie did you see?

A. We saw Primal Fear.

Q. How were you, Epstein, and Maxwell seated during the movie?

A. I was seated next to Epstein, and I believe Maxwell was on his other side.

Q. What, if anything, happened during the movie?

A. It was very similar to the first time that I went to the movies with Epstein in that he right away began to hold my hand and caress it and, you know — and rub on my — on my foot and on my arm.

Q. For approximately how much of the movie did Epstein touch you in the way you just described?

A. Throughout the majority of the movie. And he also had popcorn, I think, and was, you know, eating. But i t was — he did not — unlike in New York, he didn’t seem to be concerned about hiding those behaviors. He was very blatant in doing it throughout the film.

Q. How did what Epstein do in the movie theater in New Mexico compare with what he did in the movie theater in New York?

MS. MENNINGER: Objection.

Asked and answered, your Honor.

THE COURT: Overruled.

A. Yeah. I’d say it was very similar, except for more blatant — like not — he wasn’t — he wasn’t stopp ing. It was just this is what he was doing.

Q. What else do you recall happening in New Mexico?

A. So we were at the movies.

Another experience after we were back at the residence was that it was decided that I would learn how to give Epstein a foot massage. Maxwell wanted to show me how to r ub his feet; and so that was something I should learn how to do. And so she sat and held one of his feet, and then instructed me to hold his other foot and showed me how to rub it.

Q. Where were you when this took place?

A. In the same little area. There was a couch. I think it was kind of like a den type room. And yeah.

Q. Was this back at the ranch?

A. Back at the ranch, yeah. Sorry.

Q. Did you know how to give foot massages at that point?

A. No, I’d never been shown how to do that.

Q. What, if anything, did Epstein have on his feet during the massage?

A. He was not wearing any socks or anything; it was just his — his bare feet.

Q. How did you know how to give him a massage?

A. I just — you know, I watched what she was doing, And she instructed me, you know, you pull back his big toe, rub this part of his foot, you know. And so I did what she told me.

Q. What did Epstein do while you were rubbing his feet?

A. He seemed, you know, to be enjoying it. He sort of made like groaning noises like he was — it felt good to him.

Q. How did you feel while you were rubbing his feet?

A. I felt very uncomfortable. I did not want to be touching his feet. And also just the whole situation made- – I wanted to stop and I was hoping it would be over quickly.

Q. What, if anything, did Maxwell ask you about your experience with massages during this trip?

A. She asked me if I’d ever had a professional massage and, you know, talked about what a lovely experience it was and how enjoyable it was to get a massage.

Q. What, if anything, did Maxwell do next?

A. She said that, you know, she wanted me to have that experience, and she would be happy to give me a massage. And so encouraged me to say that, yes, okay, I would get a massage from her.

Q. Did Maxwell give you a massage?

A. She did.

Q. Where in the house did Maxwell give you a massage?

A. My best recollection is that she set up a table i n the room where I was staying.

Q. You said she set up a table. Can you describe the table.

A. It was, I think, a standard kind of massage table that’s portable that has the legs that, you know, can be e xtended and has padding on top.

Q. What were you wearing during the massage?

A. Nothing.

Q. Why did you — why were you wearing nothing during the massage?

A. She told me to get undressed.

Q. When you say “she,” who are you referring to?

A. I’m sorry. Maxwell.

Q. What happened during the massage?

A. She, you know, said to get undressed and lay under the sheet on the massage table. And I did. And then s he, you know, started rubbing my body and rubbing my back and my legs. And while she’s doing this, she’s just making — you know, making small talk. And then at some point in the massage she had me roll over so I was laying on my back.

Q. And what happened once you were laying on your back?

A. She pulled the sheet down and exposed my breasts and started rubbing on my chest and on my — on my upper breasts.

Q. When she touched your breasts, what was your reaction?

A. I mean, once she pulled down the sheet, I felt li ke kind of frozen; because I knew that that was very — just, it didn’t make sense to me that that would happen, and I was surprised. And, you know, I just wanted to — badly to get off of the table and have this massage be done.

Q. Who was present during the massage?

A. It was Maxwell and I. But the door to the room was open. And I was fearful, especially at that moment, that Epstein — I just had the sense that he could see me. But I don ‘t have a memory of him standing nearby or of seeing his face, but I just — I had this sense that he might be able to.

Q. What else, if anything, happened during your weekend in New Mexico?

A. I guess the other memory that stands out the most is being in bed in the morning, and suddenly Epstein kind of opening my door and sort of bounding into the room in this sort of playful way and saying that he wanted to cuddle. And so he climbed into bed with me and kind of laid behind me and reached his arms around me and he pressed his body into me.

Q. Did you want to cuddle with Epstein?

A. No.

Q. Did you tell him you did not want to cuddle with him?

A. No.

Q. Why not?

A. I was very aware at that time that I was, you know, very isolated; that, you know, I was on this ranch with these two people and, you know, no one’s safe for a great distance. And so I just had thought, like, I just need to get through this and then it will be fine. And so I just — you know, I didn’t say anything.

Q. Did Epstein cuddle you?

A. Yeah.

Q. Can you explain what happened.

A. Yeah. He just — you know, as I said, he kind of had his arms around me and I felt, again, kind of frozen. And then I thought I have to have an excuse to get out of this. And so I just said I needed to go to the bathroom. And it was in my bedroom area and there was a bathroom near. And so I just made the excuse and got out of bed and went into the bathroom and shut the door.

Q. What did you do while you were in the bathroom?

A. I just, you know, waited. And I don’t remember how long I was in there, you know, I just remember thinking, like, I wanted to be in there long enough that this hopeful ly situation would be over.

Q. What was your reaction to the series of events in New Mexico that you’ve just testified about culminating with Epstein getting into bed with you?

A. My reaction at that time?

Q. At that time.

A. Yeah, I just wanted — I wanted the weekend to be over. I felt very — like, I thought I had been brought there because of, you know, one set of reasons; like, I thought that he was interested and they were both interested in me as, like, a student; that they may want to help in an academic way. So I was trying to be sort of impressive in that way and talk about things that they wanted to hear about. And all these experiences made me feel that they had a very different interest in me. And so it was extremely kind of disorienting and I just was wanted to be done with it.

Q. What, if anything, did you discuss with Maxwell during your last day on the ranch in New Mexico?

A. What I remember about that, just this final conversation was that I was sort of trying to reengage with her around, like, this academic stuff. And I had brought, like three by five note cards for this paper that I was writing where I had little, like, facts on them. And we were sitting outside on what seemed like kind of a deck area. And I was go ing through them and I was trying to get her to talk to me about them, I think, in a way, like, to make myself feel better, like, maybe they did care about that. And she just seemed like very disinterested and kind of like, you know, she didn’ t care.

Q. Did you say good-bye to Epstein and Maxwell before you left New Mexico?

A. Yes.

Q. Where did you go when you left New Mexico?

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Annie Farmer Testimony

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